Michael and Clarissa

In episode 322 I chat with Dr Clarissa Ong, and Dr Michael Twohig. Clarissa obtained her Ph.D. in Clinical/Counselling Psychology at Utah State University and is currently completing her post-doctoral training at the Center for Anxiety Disorders at Boston University and CBTeam. Michael (Ph.D.) is a licensed psychologist in the state of Utah and a Professor of Psychology at Utah State University, where he co-runs the ACT Research Group (with Dr. Levin). 

We discuss perfectionism, their new book ‘The Anxious Perfectionist’, what you’ll find in their book, the research behind the book, learning to use perfectionism when it’s helpful and learning to be more flexible with perfectionism when it’s not helpful, how perfectionism can interfere with therapy, ACT and ERP for finding the balance with perfectionism, and more. Hope it helps. 

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Find out more about Clarissa and Michael: 

Their book “The Anxious Perfectionist: Acceptance and Commitment Therapy Skills to Deal with Anxiety, Stress, and Worry Driven by Perfectionism” – https://amzn.to/3Li3jO9 


Lab website: https://www.utahact.com/

Michael’s books: https://amzn.to/3sntqcB

Michael’s episodes on The OCD Stories: ACT for OCD and ACT for OCD panel


Twitter: https://twitter.com/ongclarissaw 

Research: https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Clarissa-W-Ong-2104545994

All the best,


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