Dr Michael Greenberg

In episode 371 I chat with Dr Michael Greenberg. Michael is a clinical psychologist who specialises in Rumination-Focused ERP. 

We discuss what is Malan’s model of OCD, the triangle of conflict and the triangle of the person, he shares why this model is not parent shaming, why nothing real is ideal and that’s ok, how Malan’s ideas can inform exposure and response prevention therapy (ERP), why OCD themes change from Michael’s view of Malan’s work, the concept of splitting, and much more. Hope it helps. 

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Find out more about Michael:

Michael’s website: https://drmichaeljgreenberg.com/ 

All articles: https://drmichaeljgreenberg.com/articles/ 

Malan’s model of OCD: https://drmichaeljgreenberg.com/malans-model-of-ocd/ 

Past episodes on our podcast:

Rumination is a compulsion

Putting rumination and agency at the center of ERP

Somatic/sensorimotor OCD, and rumination 

Malan’s model of OCD (Part 1)


David Malan’s ‘Individual Psychotherapy and the Science of Psychodynamics’ book: https://amzn.to/3SRSFm9

Resources: https://theocdstories.com/resources  

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All the best,


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