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In episode 120 of The OCD Stories podcast I interviewed Dr Steven Phillipson. Steven is a licensed clinical psychologist who specializes in Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy for OCD. He co-founded the first Support group for OCD sufferers in the New York area in 1987. Steven is the Clinical Director at the Center for Cognitive Behavioral Psychotherapy.

Dr Steven Phillipson

In this episode I got Steven on to talk about what Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) actually is, what Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD) is and how they differ. We talk about how the media misrepresents OCD as a condition, and how this gets picked up by the general public who unknowingly use phrases like “I’m so OCD” or “I’m a little bit OCD”. We discuss what we can do about these phrases being used. This was an eye opening talk, and will hopefully break down some of the stigma that faces those with OCD (and OCPD). Hope it helps. 


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Find out more about Steven:

Steven’s website –

Steven’s article called The Right Stuff

Podcast: Dr Steven Phillipson – Recovery From Thinking The Unthinkable

Podcast: Dr Steven Phillipson – How ERP works, and the power of choice


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Comments (2)
  1. Hi Stuart, love your podcast!

    I was very excited to hear your interview with Steven Phillipson – I usually have found his interviews to be very helpful.

    This last interview was fine until he gave some opinions on medical issues of which he clearly has little to no experience with: fibromyalgia and gluten intolerance. I believe he said fibromyalgia was an excuse that people used when having some aches and pains, and that it is a “fad”. This is so far from the truth. It is a real entity, with real symptoms, and can be quite disabling. It’s interesting that someone who is sensitive to the stigma of OCD and the misperceptions around it, is at the same time incredibly insensitive to other real illnesses that also suffer from misperceptions.

    I hope that in the future Dr. Phillipson sticks with what he knows best — OCD.

    Thanks Stuart, appreciate all you do!

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      Hi Caro,

      Thank you for listening and for your kind words.

      Thank you for sharing how you feel, someone else has shared the same on this – so you aren’t alone.

      I don’t know for sure but I’m pretty confident Steven wasn’t making fun of fibromyalgia or gluten, he was making the point that in the same way everyone thinks they are a bit OCD now, in the 90s everyone thought they were a bit fibro. He was illustrating trends in stigma, not making any comment on the severity of a condition. If anything he was defending the actual illness of fibro, in the same way he defends OCD.

      I could have done a better job to clarify his angle on that comment to get clarity, but sometimes in interviewing there are a million and one things going through my mind and it’s hard to always get clarity. In future I will do better to get this clarity to make sure my guest isn’t adding to stigma around other conditions, as that’s the last thing I want to do.

      Thank you for being open, the feedback helps me improve.


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