Jonny Say

In episode 362 I chat with Jonny Say. Jonny is a UK based therapist. 

We discuss what he learned at the Sigmund Freud museum, secondary spikes in OCD with examples, recycling resistance, acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT) skills for secondary spikes, a theory on why the brain is doing this, and we discuss depression. Some secondary spikes discussed: Obsession switches form, analysing the technique, switches from a core fear of threat to a core fear of unhappiness, what if this isn’t OCD?, resentment, interactions with sensations. And much more. Hope it helps. 

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Find out more about Jonny: 

Jonny’s previous episodes: onetwothree, four 





Dr Steven Phillipson’s two tail spikes episode

Chrissie Hodges groinal and other physical symptoms of OCD episode

Russ Harris’s second edition of ‘The Happiness trap’ 

Dr Steve Hayes

Dr Russ Harris


All the best,


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