Jonny Say

In episode 393 I chat with Jonny Say. Jonny is a UK based therapist and co-director at The Integrative Centre for OCD Therapy. 

We discuss our new OCD centre, we talk about 9 barriers to OCD recovery, including using exposure and response prevention therapy (ERP) with the agenda of controlling symptoms, automatic compulsions, secondary spikes, intense feelings, difficulties with urge surfing, shame, unworkable beliefs, core fears, and systemic issues. But more importantly some ideas on how to overcome these barriers. Hope it helps. 

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Jonny’s previous episodes: onetwothreefour, five (secondary spikes)


YouTube OCD skills playlist (Jonny’s videos):


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OCD Action: 

Wegner’s white bear experiment: 

Dropping anchor: 



Episode on dropping anchor: (inc urge surfing)



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