In episode 20 (say whattttt) of The OCD Stories podcast I interviewed Dr Chad LeJeune. Chad is a professor of psychology at the University of San Francisco. He has more than 20 years experience treating people with anxiety problems. He is a founding fellow of the Academy of Cognitive Therapy, and was among the first clinicians to receive training in acceptance and commitment therapy. Chad is also the author of the book “The Worry Trap” which is reviewed at 4.9 stars out of 5.

Dr Chad LeJeune

I chat with Chad about his book, breathing techniques to lower anxiety, why caring is better than worrying, how to live a value based life that is meaningful to you. We discuss how OCD and anxiety is a spectrum, and that it can affect everyone. Chad shares some great metaphors during the talk that will bring acceptance and commitment therapy to life. Enjoy…

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Show notes:

Chad’s OCD story (3:10)

An overview of Chad’s book “The worry trap” (5:10)

The mailbox test (9:00)

The LLAMP acronym (10:10)

How Chad links ACT with ERP (17:20)

Clean anxiety and dirty anxiety (25:40)

Breathing techniques for dealing with anxiety (29:50)

Caring vs worry (35:20)

Chad’s advice for living a value based life even with OCD (41:20)

Chad’s life advice (43:50)

Chad’s one piece of advice (46:30)

What Chad would write on a billboard (50:00)

Find out more about Chad:

Chad’s website:

The Worry Trap by Dr Chad LeJeune (

Resources mentioned:

Dr Steven Hayes podcast episode

My rOCD podcast with my fiancée

To your success,

Stuart and The OCD Stories team

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