In episode 45 of The OCD Stories podcast I interviewed Dr Jonathan Grayson. Jon with his wife, Cathy founded the LA treatment centre for anxiety and OCD. Jon has been working with people with OCD for 35 years and is the author of Freedom from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. He founded the support group GOAL and is also known for his idea virtual camping.

Dr Jonathan Grayson

I chatted with Jon about the strength you gain from having and recovering from OCD. We discuss certainty as an emotion, learning to cope with the worst, camping and virtual camping. We talk about motivation in recovery, seeing a life after OCD, medication, how ACT can work with ERP, his support group GOAL and how a supportive community can help. Enjoy.

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Show notes:

Jon’s therapy story (3:40)

Uncertainty and better mental health (5:30)

The importance of understanding OCD (7:10)

Camping, virtual camping and OCD (15:10)

Use positive and negative motivation (22:10)

Motivation for ERP (30:00)

Medication and OCD (35:30)

Medication and depression (40:30)

ACT and ERP (43:00)

GOAL support group (50:00)

Jon’s advice for living an amazing life (57:00)

Jon’s billboard (1:00:00)

Find out more about Jon:

Jon’s website –

Freedom from OCD (GOAL manual can be found here) – FreedomFromOCD


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