“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.” Albert Einstein

In episode 11 of The OCD Stories podcast I interviewed Jeff Bell & Shala Nicely. Jeff and Shala have a personal and professional journey with OCD, and have come together to create Beyond The Doubt.

Shala and Jeff were a pleasure to talk with. They shared their remarkable stories with OCD, we talked about how to do ERP if you find it too difficult at present, we chat about the importance of meaning and purpose. We dig deep into the power of a success focused mindset and why it’s good to see everything as a miracle. I think you’ll get a lot out of this.  Enjoy!!!

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Show notes:

Shala & Jeff’s OCD story (2:10)

What worked other then ERP/CBT? (14:20)

The importance of meaning (17:10)

Seeing the Universe as friendly (22:45)

Power of personal responsibility (26:30)

How to deal with dull looming anxiety (38:00)

“The only way to effectively manage uncertainty, is to embrace uncertainty?” (32:30)

Advice for conquering ERP (41:40)

The ultimate goal for OCD recovery (46:30)

Shala’s advice for changing careers and becoming a therapist (49:20)

The purpose behind BeyondTheDoubt.com (56:30)

The one piece of advice (59:30)

What Jeff and Shala would have on their billboard (1:01:00)

Find out more about Jeff and Shala:

Beyond The Doubt – BeyondTheDoubt.com

Twitter: Jeff / Shala

Shala’s website – ShalaNicely.com

Jeff’s initiative – Adversity to Advocacy

Jeff’s books: Rewind, replay, repeat (Amazon.co.uk/Amazon.com) & When in doubt, make belief (Amazon.co.uk/Amazon.com)

Resources mentioned:

Jon Hershfield

Viktor Frankl’s book Man’s search for meaning (Amazon.co.uk / Amazon.com)

Tamar Chansky’s book Freeing Your Child from Obsessive-compulsive Disorder (Amazom.co.uk/Amazon.com)

Steven Hayes’ podcast episode

To your success,

Stuart and The OCD Stories team

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